Are there any out there who use the HP-UX Itanium for their OpenEdge platform?
It is still listed in the "platform and product availability" guide, but I have some misgivings about its long-term prospects. For one, I don't think either Intel or even HP are very keen on HP-UX/IA64 anymore. Supposedly there is a plan for an Itanium chip called "Kittson". It has been rumored for several years... but it doesn't appear that it will ever be made (and even if it does, who would buy it except to put it in a museum with a big sign over it that says "the last Itanium chip ever")?
I have a feeling that HP is just keeping this platform on life-support and allowing everyone to think there is a few years of life left in it (probably for the ongoing revenue), even though it is already very much at a dead-end.
If you read the formal HP-UX roadmap, it is pretty dreary. I think they want to be out by 2020. I think Oracle wanted out a long time ago. I'm not sure if Progress wants to be out yet or not. It wouldn't surprise me if they did. And speaking from a developer's perspective, I am definitely eager to get my OE stuff out of there. I'd like it on some brand new x64 chips, using Windows with SSD for the database. I'd bet everything would run a *lot* faster than what we have going on right now with HP-UX/IA64. I don't see any exciting prospects for this platform. (Nor have I for the past five years.) Please let me know if I'm overlooking something.
If anyone else is on HP-UX, do you have plans to change? Or will you stay as long as HP supports it?
(Incidentally, whenever I call Progress tech support on HP-UX-specific problems, my impression is that they need a day or two to find one in the warehouse and blow the dust off of it. This isn't meant to diminish Progress tech support at all - they fully support the platform, and have always done a good job of it. But it seems that the reproducibles are always tested initially on Windows and Linux, until such time as an HP-UX can be found.)
In 2014, HP said that future Superdome Machines would have X86064 chips.
The Itanic processors are dead men walking.
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> On Feb 28, 2016, at 4:29 PM, dbeavon wrote:
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> Update from Progress Community [https://community.progress.com/]
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> dbeavon [https://community.progress.com/members/dbeavon]
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> Are there any out there who use the HP-UX Itanium for their OpenEdge platform?
>
> It is still listed in the "platform and product availability" guide, but I have some misgivings about its long-term prospects. For one, I don't think either Intel or even HP are very keen on HP-UX/IA64 anymore. Supposedly there is a plan for an Itanium chip called "Kittson". It has been rumored for several years... but it doesn't appear that it will ever be made (and even if it does, who would buy it except to put it in a museum with a big sign over it that says "the last Itanium chip ever")?
>
> I have a feeling that HP is just keeping this platform on life-support and allowing everyone to think there is a few years of life left in it (probably for the ongoing revenue), even though it is already very much at a dead-end.
>
> If you read the formal HP-UX roadmap, it is pretty dreary. I think they want to be out by 2020. I think Oracle wanted out a long time ago. I'm not sure if Progress wants to be out yet or not. It wouldn't surprise me if they did. And speaking from a developer's perspective, I am definitely eager to get my OE stuff out of there. I'd like it on some brand new x64 chips, using Windows with SSD for the database. I'd bet everything would run a *lot* faster than what we have going on right now with HP-UX/IA64. I don't see any exciting prospects for this platform. (Nor have I for the past five years.) Please let me know if I'm overlooking something.
>
> If anyone else is on HP-UX, do you have plans to change? Or will you stay as long as HP supports it?
>
> (Incidentally, whenever I call Progress tech support on HP-UX-specific problems, my impression is that they need a day or two to find one in the warehouse and blow the dust off of it. This isn't meant to diminish Progress tech support at all - they fully support the platform, and have always done a good job of it. But it seems that the reproducibles are always tested initially on Windows and Linux, until such time as an HP-UX can be found.)
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David,
The reason why we use Windows and Linux for most initial testing is because we rely heavily on our VMware VCloud Director environment where we have pre-built VM's for pretty much every OE version from 9.1E onward (one VM for every FCS release and for each Service Pack) for each Windows version and quite a lot of the Linux (CentOS) versions. I know this because I manage that environment for TS and I built most of them.
The fact that we use these tools first is NOT indicative of a lack of support for other platforms nor the need to "dust something off".
Cheers, Brian
Yes, we run on HP-UX 11.31 ia64 OE 11.4.
You had me up until you said "using windows for the database"... what? Moving from HPUX to Linux would be very sensible (and probably should have been done years ago -- the handwriting has been on the wall for Itanic for a very long time). You would be leveraging your UNIX knowledge and could probably use a whole lot of your scripts and so forth with minimal effort. Why would you deliberately downgrade to Windows?
also, future HP superdome machines will probably run Linux on X86-64, NOT HP-UX.
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gus (gus@progress.com)
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Gus, do you mean "NOT Windows"?
Either Linux or Windows would be fine by me, whether it is for the OE appserver and the OE database. I think either of these has a long future ahead, and both will see ongoing *investment* from all relevant parties, unlike HP-UX.
We are primarily a Windows .Net shop with some legacy HP-UX for our ERP (OpenEdge). As Brian said, those two platforms - Windows and Linux - are the ones that seem to be in Progress' wheelhouse, insofar as their support tooling is concerned. I imagine that a similar thing would be true within the Progress development team, quality control, automated testing, etc. I wouldn't even be that surprised if HP-UX misses out on special performance optimizations that are made for Windows and Linux code-paths. That may just be the cynic and conspiracy theorist in me who is talking...
> On Feb 29, 2016, at 12:23 PM, dbeavon wrote:
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> Gus, do you mean "NOT Windows"?
No, I meant the the /HP Superdome machines/ will not run HP-UX, but probably will come with Linux.
All the prior Superdomes have run HP-UX, as did all their PA-Risc machines.
Gotcha.
HP-UX is probably dead for a variety of its own reasons, only one of which may be tied to the death of Itanium . If HP had wanted to create a port of HP-UX from Itanium to X64, then they would have done so by now.
Here is Jeff Kyle, director of product management for enterprise servers at HPE, admitting there is nothing "new or shiny" about HP-UX.
www.cio.com/.../intels-itanium-to-live-an-as-hpe-commits-to-new-servers-with-the-chip.html
www.computerworld.com/.../hp-plans-to-continue-with-itanium-in-servers-for-hp-ux-customers.html
This promise (of new Kittson-based HP server for HP-UX) is almost exactly the same story that was told in 2014, and again in 2015. I'm guessing it won't happen at all. Even if they do release the server, the contrarian in me thinks that it would make customers abandon the platform even faster, as that will mark the definite end of the roadmap which is provided by both Intel and HP.
In 2014, HP said that future Superdome Machines would have X86064 chips.
The Itanic processors are dead men walking.
--
regards,
gus (gus@progress.com)
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-- S.R. McElroy
> On Feb 28, 2016, at 4:29 PM, dbeavon wrote:
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> Update from Progress Community [https://community.progress.com/]
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> Are there any out there who use the HP-UX Itanium for their OpenEdge platform?
>
> It is still listed in the "platform and product availability" guide, but I have some misgivings about its long-term prospects. For one, I don't think either Intel or even HP are very keen on HP-UX/IA64 anymore. Supposedly there is a plan for an Itanium chip called "Kittson". It has been rumored for several years... but it doesn't appear that it will ever be made (and even if it does, who would buy it except to put it in a museum with a big sign over it that says "the last Itanium chip ever")?
>
> I have a feeling that HP is just keeping this platform on life-support and allowing everyone to think there is a few years of life left in it (probably for the ongoing revenue), even though it is already very much at a dead-end.
>
> If you read the formal HP-UX roadmap, it is pretty dreary. I think they want to be out by 2020. I think Oracle wanted out a long time ago. I'm not sure if Progress wants to be out yet or not. It wouldn't surprise me if they did. And speaking from a developer's perspective, I am definitely eager to get my OE stuff out of there. I'd like it on some brand new x64 chips, using Windows with SSD for the database. I'd bet everything would run a *lot* faster than what we have going on right now with HP-UX/IA64. I don't see any exciting prospects for this platform. (Nor have I for the past five years.) Please let me know if I'm overlooking something.
>
> If anyone else is on HP-UX, do you have plans to change? Or will you stay as long as HP supports it?
>
> (Incidentally, whenever I call Progress tech support on HP-UX-specific problems, my impression is that they need a day or two to find one in the warehouse and blow the dust off of it. This isn't meant to diminish Progress tech support at all - they fully support the platform, and have always done a good job of it. But it seems that the reproducibles are always tested initially on Windows and Linux, until such time as an HP-UX can be found.)
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