New OO in ABL Poll

While polls are always amusing, they unfortunately often don't tell one what one ought to know. I would think that what one would want to know in this case is what APs and customers who develop their own code are planning with respect to the use of OO in their future development -- whether they are incorporating it at all, whether they are using to add to existing systems, and whether they are using it for the development of new systems. And, how important they think OO is in shaping their future development approach.

Unfortunately, many of the people one would like to have answering the question don't appear to contribute to PSDN ...

Whilst I sort of agree, my 1st aim is to determine who is currently using, and who intends to use OO in ABL in the next 12 months or so. How it's used would be for another day

As for the last point, if you (as in the wider you, not just Thomas) know people who don't use PSDN, then tell them what they're missing! (Ok, you can exempt those members of your family that have never heard of OpenEdge)

I confess to being a bit of a nag about surveys as a result of my professional training and my experience that most of them don't really end up telling one what one really wanted to know. Many years ago I even turned down a job offer in Hawaii analyzing a large survey because I knew that the first thing I was going to find was that they had asked the wrong questions and that the people who had conducted the survey would be unlikely to want to hear that.

So, yes, I know you are just trying to run a flag up the pole and see what happens and that this doesn't constitute a major research study that will determine future policy.

The really big problem, of course, is participation ... and I don't know how one solves that. I do think it could be very interesting to have a forum for partners in which they could address questions about business issues such as licensing and that might get more partners at least noticing what happens on PSDN, but unfortunately it probably wouldn't attract the biggest partners since they have dedicated reps to pay attention to questions like that.

I think you're sending the wrong message here: you should evangalize OOABL to get it adopted!

I think you're sending the wrong message here: you

should evangalize OOABL to get it adopted!

Oh, we are !!

We have the Webinar today (March 21st), which is all about classes, We have an architecture workshop running at exchange which will use classes in the labs (Sign Up Here http://www.progress.com/exchange/2007/workshop_descriptions/index.ssp#oera_implementation), we have some new class based material coming in the next week or so on PSDN ! This is just the start, so you can expect even more !!

a) You use OO in the ABL today

b) You plan to use OO in ABL in 0-6 Months

c) You plan to use OO in ABL in 6-12 Months

d) You plan to use OO in ABL 12+ months

e) You're not on OpenEdge 10.1 and so cannot use OO

f) You happy with Procedures and don't plan to use OO

in ABL anytime soon !

Other interesting polls are:

- who is using datasets

- who has deployed a .Net user interface on top of ABL

- who has deployed a Java user interface on top of ABL

- who is migrating to another enironment

- who can't migrate to todays technology

Thanks Theo.

I'll keep a note and look to run these next.

Mike

Of course, if you only get 6 answers, it isn't a very exciting poll...

Of course, if you only get 6 answers, it isn't a very

exciting poll...

Well maybe not very scientific, no ! But as they say you can lead a horse to water... I can only rely on the people out there to reply, even the lurkers It's ok, if you vote it doesn't take note of who you are so I can send the heavies round if I don't like the result!!

It is interesting that this poll has continued to accumulate a vote or two from time to time after quite a while. I'm wondering if it might not have gotten a bigger response if you had posted it on a different forum or on the site as a whole.

I also suspect the results are skewed by the location, but interesting none less since as of today 70% say they are going OO within the year.

I wish I was in a position to poll the partners on their responses.

It is interesting that this poll has continued to

accumulate a vote or two from time to time after

quite a while. I'm wondering if it might not have

gotten a bigger response if you had posted it on a

different forum or on the site as a whole.

I also suspect the results are skewed by the

location, but interesting none less since as of today

70% say they are going OO within the year.

It's an interesting point, I'd have to check with the PSDN guys how one could possibly have polls at a higher level rather than by Forum. Obviously being very selfish, I'd like everyone to come to the OpenEdge Principles area, but I guess we can all dream What was the quote from Wayne's World, 'built it and they will come' !!!

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Mike Ormerod

There are probably a

couple of responses to that. One is that it seems to often be the

case here that they might come, but they don't say anything so we

don't know what they think. Another is that I'm not sure nearly as

many people come as should and I wish I knew how to change that.

Consider, for example, the number of APs that have gone through

PSC's own consulting Application Transformation Approach and yet

how little evidence there is on PSDN that anyone has every done so.

And, of course, there is the question of what to build. I have had

a couple of offline responses to my OERA Strategies piece and in

one of them there was an interesting discussion about the history

of PSC frameworks such as ADM and Dynamics. These have their fans

and applications have been built and deployed with them, but they

have failed to gain critical approval from many of what I consider

to be the best minds out there. I have my theories about that, but

one of the interesting pieces is the way in which these frameworks

tend to be an all or nothing thing ... either you commit to using

it whole hog or you don't use it at all. So, one of the things that

I think would be very interesting to consider in moving forward

with OERA would be to think in terms of evolving a framework ... an

actual production quality framework ... but one which was built as

components rather than a complete, tightly integrated toolset which

one had to buy into totally. Wouldn't it be nice for someone who

was having issues with authentication to be able to just pick up

and borrow an authentication component and plug it in to the

existing application? So, at any rate, that is one of the things

that I think should get built.

of evolving a framework ... an actual production

quality framework ... but one which was built as

components rather than a complete, tightly integrated

toolset

Feels like we have covered this topic several times already

Obviously being

very selfish, I'd like everyone to come to the

OpenEdge Principles area, but I guess we can all

dream What was the quote from Wayne's World,

'built it and they will come' !!!

Or, being Dutch, buy them a ticket and they will come for the free beers...